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and cut out. >>> the u.s. may decide to withhold millions in military aid to pakistan. this is according to a "new york times" report. the u.s. is said to be unhappy with the efforts that pakistani army has been making against the taliban as well as al qaeda. as well as $800 million in assistance could be suspended. this could cause some major problems. if pakistan takes tougher action, the aid could resume. mean while, defense secretary leon panetta is in afghanistan. panetta is meeting with american military leaders and afghan officials. nbc's atia abawi is in kabul this morning. bring us up to speed on what leon panetta is saying that al qaeda is basically on the run and close to being completely stamped out. >> reporter: good morning, thomas. the new secretary of defense's first trip as the defense secretary here in afghanistan, prior to arriving he talked to reporters on the plane about how he feels alg al qaeda is going right now, the war against terror. he says the strategic defeat of al qaeda is within reach, primarily pointing the the death of bin laden, the information they got
out there on the internet of training camps in pakistan, where little kids, 4 and 5 years old, are actually there. cartoons on the internet is not what we need to be worried about. >> it seems like it's the parents that would need to be targeted in marketing efforts. a child on his own is not going to say hey, i'm really interested in becoming a pint-sized suicide bomber. it will be the parents who do it. >> you just hit right on it. kids that radicalize themselves, that starts at about 13, 14, 15 years old at the earliest. anyone that's younger than that, the only reason that they're getting involved in violent extremism is because of irresponsible parenting, because of parents that bring their kids into conflict zones, that introduce them to violent ideologies. that's the fault of the parents, not the cartoons. when we see kids that are trying to radicalize themselves, they are looking for hardcore videos, looking for al qaeda suicide bombings and beheadings. >> one analyst predicted this could actually backfire because he says it could basically infuriate parents who think
afghanistan, pakistan. you're reading a couple pieces in the "new york times." now it's spreading to all of these different countries and one that really jumped off the page for me, drone attacks in somalia. >> joining us, jeremy scahill, on the cia secret sites in somalia, jeremy, the secret training programs and secret prisons out of somalia is part of your reporting there. how big a threat are these terrorist group there's? >> we should say first of all president obama campaigned on a promise to go up against these bush era policies declaring war on the world, running secret sites, torturing prisoners. deeply involved in an underground dungeon officially run by the somali national security agency, but their salaries are paid by the cia directly. in fact, one somali agent described thousand hairli ed ho and paid by u.s. agents and the u.s. is interrogating prisoners, including those rendered by the kenyan government, snatched off the streets in nairobi based on u.s. intelligence and taken to this secret prison and interrogated. it goes against the president's ordered he signed in janua
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